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What exactly is Cloud Computing ?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by rsinfo, 2010/08/23.

  1. 2010/08/23
    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    Ok, I will let the cat among the pigeons.

    Have been hearing & trying to read/understand about Cloud computing but getting more & more confused. Could anyone guide me in simple language "What exactly is Cloud Computing ? "

    Is it just when you goto internet & store your data over there [internet is Cloud] or when you have a big iron server sitting in your data centre and you run virtual machines on it or something else ? :confused:
     
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    rsinfo

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    RoyalT, have been banging my head against wall to understand only those things which are referenced to in the article. I know cloud computing is internet based computing but what next ? Who owns the infrastructure but more importantly who owns the data ?
     
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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    Jake,

    I would go through the video ASAP. Thanks.
     
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    There is good article to read.
     
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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    Thats one of the better definitions that I have seen of Cloud Computing. But the security & ownership of data still remains a grey area.
     
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    TonyT

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    Cloud computing also refers to a centralized location where shared data is stored, as in antivirus clouds which utilize many sources of data and analyze it to more rapidly arrive at new av definitions. Some P2P networks are cloud computing as well.
     
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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    Does it mean my in house data center is also a cloud ?
     
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    Scott Smith

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    It's my understanding that Cloud Computing in the Enterprise world meant the hard drive on the local machine would go away and it would be a terminal with no moving parts.
     
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    Sort of like the Star Trek computers?
     
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    or like dumb VT100 terminals we had ages ago ?
     
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    Nope, that's client-server / mainframe computing using 'dumb terminals'.

    Anything that utilizes the Internet as transport medium falls under 'cloud' computing, the Internet being the cloud.
     
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    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    Arie, then how does virtualisation fits into it ? I have read that virtualisation is a part & parcel of the cloud computing & is aggressively being marketed by all the players.
     
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    Yes, virtualization does fit into the picture, but does not have to. For example, gMail Drive. Gmail offers x bytes storage and can be used as a place to store your data. Software such as gMail drive puts a virtual disk on the comp, pproviding access to the data similar to any other local drive. The difference between this and local network shares is that the Internet is used. Cloud always implies Internet.
     
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    TonyT

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    No. House data center is local. Cloud is always Internet. If you setup a Web server with shared dirs that anyone could access with read-write permissions, then that would become part of "a cloud ", esp if developed software for users to access the data. A simple Web interface could be used.

    The profit in such a system comes from forcing users to sign-up and become "members ", requiring certain personal info in the sign-up form. (valuable marketing data)
     
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    Clouds are just groups of computers that respond to a simple request for data.

    The point of a cloud is that you don't need to care where the data or processing is happening. You just send your request to "the cloud" and you should get the data you require in the response from the cloud.

    So for example, in the past if you wanted a web page you'd send a request to a particular computer. So http://www.mydomain.com would send a request to the single server assigned to www for the mydomain.com domain. That server would respond by returning data in the form of an html document.

    With a cloud, the http://www.mydomain.com request would be sent to a device(s) that makes the decision as to where to send the request. Typically that device will hunt round servers assigned to handle such requests and fine the one with the least load. It will then send the request to that one. That computer then returns the html document (either directly to requester, or via some routing device).

    The advantages of using clouds are:

    You can set up multiple servers to handle requests, and these servers can be anywhere. This makes it straight forward to give similar performance globally. Also the systems can usually handle individual servers failing (the request is just sent to another server) so you get excellent resilience.

    You can also simplify your systems because you don't have to care what device is handling the request. It could be unix, windows, mac, mainframe, or anything. You just send it the request and grab the response.

    Clouds are typically hosted on the internet, but you could create one inside a local network. That would be a local cloud.
     
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    rsinfo

    rsinfo SuperGeek Alumni Thread Starter

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    ok Reggie, got the basic point. But who owns the data on these "clouds" ? If I outsource my storage needs to someone who owns a "cloud ", what happens to my data if they go bust ? A "cloud" could use failover servers but needn't. What about security ?
     
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    TonyT

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    Typically, the provider of the "cloud service" has a terms of use agreement or at least a privacy statement.

    This has always been a concern of mine re certain cloud services. I would NEVER use such an Internet service (Google Docs for example) for my important business data or secure data. Cloud systems can be hacked into just like ordinary Web servers and data stolen.
     

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