Adblock for NS 8.0.4?

James · 3rd December 2005

I see there are still no extensions for this latest version. I'm assuming that Adblock Plus would not work with it. Is there anything of that nature out there besides a third-party app like Ad Muncher?

James · 3rd December 2005

Having received no responses here nor in the "other" forum, I'm lead to believe that:

- no one knows
- no one cares
- since NS is not open source it requires an in-house extension writer and this has not been a priority (fact is, there don't appear to be any extensions to speak of)
- it's up to the user to do his own thing... that is, go out and find a compatible third-party app (i.e. AdMuncher)

**Westside** · 3rd December 2005

James.
you pretty much got it. I do care, but in first place one has to be faniliar with the specific extention. In second place, unless the extention website says so, I don't bother with any extention in NS8.0.4. AOL/Netscape doesn't provide any useful information, anyway.
I am using only the Roboform and the Forecastfox extentions in 8.0.4, and the websites tell you about the compatibility.

James · 3rd December 2005

You know, Westside, this whole thing that has happened to the once-proud Netscape is so confusing... so frustrating... it defies description. I look at Opera and Microsoft. They both appear to have a unified plan. Netscape was essentially gutted by MS.. sold out to AOL which allowed it to rot on the vine... cut unceremoniously loose and given a pat on the head with a million bucks to go and do its own thing and what does it do? It breaks into Mozilla and Firefox and Thunderbird and Seamonkey and low and behold... Netscape 8 makes another appearance. What a game plan! What a brilliant strategy.

You put your faith in Firefox and it upgrades and it upgrades and it upgrades seemingly every confounded month or so, so that your extensions don't work or your themes are messed up since these are written by anyone and everyone.

Really, it's become a sort of sad joke. It's like we're all sitting here... waiting for some grand plan to bring it all together but deep down we know that's never going to take place.

I'll tell you what I fear will happen. The giant will soon awaken. Uh huh... and IE 7 will make an appearance and wham, bam... there's going to be a migration back to IE. Oh... not by hardcore anti-MS fans but by the disinterested masses who simply want a stable browser/email suite that will work without breaking every month or so. As for security... there appear to be as many threats to FF/TB as to IE these days so what the hey... if the new IE is beefed up security-wise, why bother with this mess Mozilla has created?

It's all so confusing to me... this non-strategy... this trunk here and trunk there... that appear to go nowhere. For crying out loud. There are still people with Communicator and people with NS 7 who have refused to get onboard the Mozilla/Fox/whatever bandwagon.

Do I sound frustrated and confused by it all? Sure I am. And I'm betting you dollars to donuts that I'm not alone in my feelings of frustration with this mess of the once-proud Netscape Corp. I'm convinced that many are already abandonning it for the new, friendlier, free Opera.

**Westside** · 4th December 2005

and more
These are my comments. I don't feel that there is any Mozilla mess, and, at least, the later Netscapes were no more than branded forms of Mozilla.
Mozilla is greated, pretty much by volunteers, and fixed by volunteers.
Extentions, also, are created by volunteers, but are not part of the programs. So, incompatibilty is inevitable. Serious creators of extentions will maintain them, while other don't. You can't blame Mozilla for it.
Unfortunately, most people want to be spoon-fed, so Microsoft will continue to prevail.

James · 4th December 2005

I'm not sure I completely agree with the statement that most people want to be spoonfed. Most people, it seems to me, are not geeks nor are they particularly computer literate. That does not translate into something that is negative, Westside. Unfortunately most geeks would see it that way. The way I see it, most people simply want their computers to function in a reasonably stable fashion requiring a minimum of learning on their part. What is wrong with that? I don't really understand what happens under the hood of my car, but I expect it to run in a safe and reliable fashion. That doesn't mean I expect to be spoonfed.

Now... back to Mozilla. What I lament is the fact that there appears to be no centralized authority... no overall plan... no bottom line so to speak. I well understand that volunteers from all over the globe are writing extensions and themes for Mozilla/FF/TB. What I don't understand is why there can't be a sort of clearing house for these apps. That is, before any release of Mozila suites/browser/email client is made, these extensions should be cleared by a central body. This doesn't appear to be the case given the fact that so many either are incompatible or simply break when installed.

Anyway... what can any of us do about it. It seems to me that IE 7 will pretty much squash FF/TB once it makes its appearance. And in the meanwhile, I see Opera as snatching away a goodly number of users because it has this control and plan that Mozilla no longer has.

Look. I'm trying to get a lousy extension to work with NS 8. No one can give me an answer. I find that pathetic. It simply points out how truly unreliable this entire organization has become. We've people in FF who are fighting with fanboys in Mozilla who are fighting with fanboys in NS. It's all rather silly, don't you think?

**Westside** · 4th December 2005

I'm not sure I completely agree with the statement that most people want to be spoonfed. Most people, it seems to me, are not geeks nor are they particularly computer literate. That does not translate into something that is negative, Westside. Unfortunately most geeks would see it that way. The way I see it, most people simply want their computers to function in a reasonably stable fashion requiring a minimum of learning on their part. What is wrong with that? I don't really understand what happens under the hood of my car, but I expect it to run in a safe and reliable fashion. That doesn't mean I expect to be spoonfed.
James,
I did not mean anything personal, nor, do I consider myself to be a geek. I just try to understand the limitations, and the requirements of a system or program. I take it or leave it, unless someone points to me otherwise.
Spoonfed may be negative, but I had an experience, yesterday of replying to a friend, who asked me about Netscape8. I gave a detailed description of what needs to be done, and I got a "never mind, it is too complicated". This is way below meaning learning requirements. It is "no learning".

Now... back to Mozilla. What I lament is the fact that there appears to be no centralized authority... no overall plan... no bottom line so to speak. I well understand that volunteers from all over the globe are writing extensions and themes for Mozilla/FF/TB. What I don't understand is why there can't be a sort of clearing house for these apps. That is, before any release of Mozila suites/browser/email client is made, these extensions should be cleared by a central body. This doesn't appear to be the case given the fact that so many either are incompatible or simply break when installed.
There is, indeed a clearinghouse for Extentions and Theme. That's what happens when Mozilla/Firefox, or whatever disable an extention or theme.
If you try to install an incompatible extention or theme you will be told that you can't. If you already have an extention, which would otherwise not be be installed, it will be disabled. What else can Mozilla do?

I'm trying to get a lousy extension to work with NS 8. No one can give me an answer. I find that pathetic. It simply points out how truly unreliable this entire organization has become. We've people in FF who are fighting with fanboys in Mozilla who are fighting with fanboys in NS. It's all rather silly, don't you think?

Maybe Mozilla could do what AOL is doing with extentions in NS8.x. They say that they are not supporting them.
I am afraid that we look at things in a totally different way. You feel that the mere existance of extentions would place a responsibility on the program for which it was used, rather than on the programmer of extention. And, that's wrong.

If you require to present further arguments let's continue on personal messages.